Part
III
Replying
to Baljit Singh ji
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki
Fateh
Baljit Singh ji, I’ve
been waiting for this part to reply to you about the questions that you raised.
First of all, when I first read your article, it happened to me, no offence,
that you are a non-Sikh. And the reason behind that was obvious. Your writing
explains everything that I needed to know. I still do not know who you are. But
my first assumption was that.
The video that I made was, was
to the reply to what Bhai Gurpreet Singh (Rinku Vir Ji Bombay Wale) was saying
in one of the videos.
It’s the first time when I heard his name. So I just opened the video out of
curiosity, and when he started explaining the meaning, I stopped there, because
I couldn’t just listen to what he’s saying (and there might be many people too
who listen/read to what I say/write and stop in the middle because it’s not
according to what they believe, which is fine. We are just human beings, it’s a
habit of ours not to agree with many people.)
Let me tell you this
thing that I will write it according to a sequence, not how our conversation
happened. To those who are reading this and are not reading from the first
part, just want to tell that Baljit Singh ji writes at exposingvadakayil blog to talk
about Ajit Vadakayil, a man with little brain, and exposes him and gives his
view about the articles that Vadakayil has written. A person on our YouTube
channel posted the link of Baljit Singh’s blog and I went there to check and
found some things that I was not comfortable with, this is from where our
conversation started. You can go check his post.
Coming back to you,
Baljit Singh ji, why I asked you about Gurpreet Singh ji was because I’ve heard
this before and I thought that it might be the person that you might be
following. I was not sure then. That’s the only reason to make sure I know what
I am going to get by having a talk with you. I do not know about you, but I’ve
been listening to different people since 2004, so know a little bit from where
what type of information can come.
Few days back, I heard
Thakur Singh (Namdhari) doing the same translation of the shabad that is
in consideration. So yesterday I thought that Gurpreet Singh might be a
Namdhari too (because of the style of his dastaar, I know it’s silly but I
thought this.) That led me to believe that you are a Namdhari too. But it’s
just a guess. And I do not believe in that guess because you do not believe in
the bani of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib, but Namdharis do. Even if you are
neither a non-Sikh nor Namdhari, I am fine because it’s your choice of
believing/following someone/something.
Before I go too far, I want
to have your attention at one of your posts
where you wrote ‘Sikhsandsikhi did not respond to my message, but
conveniently hid the messages so that only I can see it and no one else can see
it. Only reason a person hides something is because he does not want anyone to
see.’ Firstly, I laughed at that that how someone could think like it. I had
five reasons to laugh.
1.
I
was not hiding your comments at all (they are still there, will come to that.)
2.
Secondly,
I was giving the link of your post in my post.
So hiding would never have worked because you copied and pasted your last
comment.
3.
Thirdly,
I was talking to you in the comment section of your blog, but you, I think,
went too far (and you can think the same about me too, if you want to) and
accused me of being a communist. 😐
So I left the conversation.
4.
Fourthly,
I already told you in the comment
section that the comment section of blog gives only around 4k characters
and it gets very hard for me to write everything in few words. This series from
the beginning of the first part has 14870 words and 65295 characters. See how
hard it gets to have everything in few words.
5.
And
the last is, I was the one who came on your blog; and I am running both blog
and YouTube channel, how could I have run away from the conversation!?
Let’s talk about the
‘hiding thing’ that you mentioned because it’s outrageous.
I couldn’t understand why
you were not able to see the comment, because I was sure I didn’t block you
just because you have a different opinion than I. But, yes, I blocked a person
because he’s just spreading venom by saying Sikhs killed Hindus and other
person was saying Hindus killed Sikhs. I do not want to have those types of
conversations on my blog or YouTube. In a way, if you want to convey your
message, it’s fine, but it should be in a limit.
I checked the Settings if
you were somehow got blocked or not. There was only one name and it’s not you.
Then I directly went to the video. Bingo!
You can get the comment
section by New or Top. I think you might have noticed this thing. Let me paste
some screenshots for you.
You can see there is no
comment and still it’s showing ‘1 Comment.’ I think you got confused by this.
Now let me show you how you can see your comment.
You need to click on SORT
By and then ‘Newest first’, you will be able to see your comment. I think by
default it’s on Top comments, perhaps (and your comment is not Top level 😉,
just kidding.)
In this post, I am going
to give the bani of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji so that people will know
why anti-panthic people are disregarding this (do not know if you come
in anti-panthic group or not, so this might not be for you, but I will
describe some people for your convenience.) It will expose them badly because
the praises (sarcasm) of the deities in Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji were so good
that all those, who are getting ecstasy by reading the words like Ram, Murari,
Moham, and many more, in Guru Granth Sahib ji, will be shamed because it’ll
show their real face to the people.
Maaya. A word which I’ve
been using in my posts and comments and you said you didn’t get this
point. This is how it’s.
Waheguru is one of the
names of God. Its meaning and origin I will talk about after this because you
misinterpreted it in many comments. He created Maaya (which is also known as
Akaal Shakti, Kudrat (not the one that Dhadriawala is preaching)). There are
three articles
on this blog for that, you can check it out. Through that Akaal Shakti,
Waheguru created the whole world. First Akaal Shakti created three guns
and from them came three main deities, and then the whole creation happened. I
would be glad if you listen to the katha of the 30th pauri
of Jap Ji Sahib by Giani Thakur Singh ji. There are two kathas for
that. First one was in so much detail, listen to that. You can get it here.
ਏਕਾ
ਮਾਈ
ਜੁਗਤਿ
ਵਿਆਈ
ਤਿਨਿ
ਚੇਲੇ
ਪਰਵਾਣੁ
॥
ਇਕੁ
ਸੰਸਾਰੀ
ਇਕੁ
ਭੰਡਾਰੀ
ਇਕੁ
ਲਾਏ
ਦੀ
ਬਾਣੁ
॥
ਜਿਵ
ਤਿਸੁ
ਭਾਵੈ
ਤਿਵੈ
ਚਲਾਵੈ
ਜਿਵ
ਹੋਵੈ
ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ
॥
ਓਹੁ
ਵੇਖੈ
ਓਨਾ
ਨਦਰਿ
ਨ
ਆਵੈ
ਬਹੁਤਾ
ਏਹੁ
ਵਿਡਾਣੁ
॥
ਆਦੇਸੁ
ਤਿਸੈ
ਆਦੇਸੁ
॥
ਆਦਿ
ਅਨੀਲੁ
ਅਨਾਦਿ
ਅਨਾਹਤਿ
ਜੁਗੁ
ਜੁਗੁ
ਏਕੋ
ਵੇਸੁ
॥੩੦॥
From Maaya, the deities
came from. The question is, if they are created by Maaya and have influence of
Maaya, how could you say that they are the avatars of Waheguru? You mentioned
yourself that ‘even though his Avatars are within the rules of Maya.’ If
you want to say that Ram Chandra and Krishan were the avatars of Vishnu, it
will make so much sense. But the other way around will not. And in which verses
it’s said that the deities are avatars of Waheguru? It’s definitely written
that the jot of Waheguru is in them too, but they are not above Maaya or
equal to Waheguru. How you got to such a conclusion? If you are going to talk
about the shabad that you mentioned in the post on your blog, we’ve
discussed that thoroughly and I do not know if you are reading them or not. I
am posting all the questions here for you, maybe you can answer them correctly.
1.
If Vishnu is under Maaya, how could he be Liberator?
2.
If Vishnu is under Maaya, how could he be called Madhav?
3.
If Vishnu is under time, how could he be called Abhinasi?
4.
If there are multiple Vishnus in the world, how he happened to be
called omnipresent?
5.
Which incarnation of Vishnu has thousands of eyes?
6.
Which incarnation of Vishnu has multiple forms?
7.
If Vishnu is under Maaya, how could he be called Niranjan?
8.
If Vishnu is under time, how could he be called Achut?
9.
If the jot of Waheguru in Vishnu be taken away, can he
perform any actions?
10.
If Vishnu is same as Waheguru, then why is he under Maaya?
11.
If there is no difference between Vishnu and Waheguru, then why
Vishnu is under time?
12.
Is
Vishnu unborn?
13.
Is
Vishnu self-existed?
14.
Under
whose command Vishnu took the incarnations?
15.
Who
is in all the world – omnipresent?
16.
Whose
place will not be perished at last?
17.
Who
is formless?
18.
Who
is Parkash Saroop?
19.
Who
is undeceivable?
20.
Who’s
uncountable limbs?
21.
Who
is Shudh Saroop?
22.
Does
Vishnu destroy the world at last?
23.
Is
Vishnu timeless; if yes, why is he under Maaya?
24.
Will
Vishnu perish one day?
25.
How
Krishna is gopi?
26.
Why
Shesh Naag will sing the names of Vishnu if he’s not present everywhere?
27.
If
Vishnu is under Maaya, why someone will ask him to help him swim the river of
Maaya?
28.
If
everything seeable is perishable, how could the deities survive?
29.
If
all the names given are the names of Vishnu, how is he All-knower, Lord of
Senses, Reason of this World, Imperishable, Formless, Timeless, Hatredless,
Protector of World, jot saroop, Omnipresent, Lord of Maaya, Without any
Weakness, Giver, Beyond Birth, Self-existed, Without the influence of Maaya,
Creator, Destroyer, Undeceivable, especially when he’s under Maaya?
30.
Why
would Guru Sahib ask for Vishnu to make (us) meet saints when Vishnu himself is
perishable?
31.
If
Vishnu is perishable, how could he be doing everything by himself?
I remember listening to
Osho once (not a fan, BTW), he said a thing and it really got me. It seems true
in your case. You commented on the video
‘I challenge you to do even 1/10th of what Krishna Ji has done since you
have the same JOT within you too.’ Are you believing in Krishan just
because he’s powers? If that’s the case then Prophet Mohammad cut moon into
two, you can follow him, no? Or there were Sidhs with powers at the time of
Guru Nanak Dev ji and they might be present now too, why don’t you follow them?
Even Shivji has powers, why are you stuck at Krishna? Brahma is creating the
whole world, why not him? And there are 330 million of them, why not them? And
most importantly, if the powers of Vishnu are gone or whatever the miracles
that Krishna performed never happened, will you still follow him?
Now come to the part of jot.
Yes, I’ve the same jot as of what Vishnu or Shivji has but my stage of
meditation is not that high that I could be compared to them. And those all are
worshipping Waheguru. I remember in the katha, it’s said that Shivji
mediates on Waheguru for 60,000+ years in one go. I can’t do that. They are
deities because of the grace of Waheguru, because of the praises of Waheguru
that they do. The whole world is doing it in ways which can’t be described.
ਸਿਮਰੈ ਧਰਤੀ ਅਰੁ ਆਕਾਸਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਚੰਦ ਸੂਰਜ ਗੁਣਤਾਸਾ ॥
ਪਉਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਬੈਸੰਤਰ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਸਗਲ ਉਪਾਰਜਨਾ ॥੧॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਖੰਡ ਦੀਪ ਸਭਿ ਲੋਆ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਆ ॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਖਾਣੀ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਸਗਲੇ ਹਰਿ ਜਨਾ ॥੨॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਬਿਸਨ ਮਹੇਸਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕੋੜਿ ਤੇਤੀਸਾ ॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਜਖੵਿ ਦੈਤ ਸਭਿ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਅਗਨਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਜਸੁ ਗਨਾ ॥੩॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਪਸੁ ਪੰਖੀ ਸਭਿ ਭੂਤਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਬਨ ਪਰਬਤ ਅਉਧੂਤਾ ॥
ਲਤਾ ਬਲੀ ਸਾਖ ਸਭ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸਭ ਮਨਾ ॥੪॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਥੂਲ ਸੂਖਮ ਸਭਿ ਜੰਤਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਸਿਧ ਸਾਧਿਕ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਤਾ ॥
ਗੁਪਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰੇ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਨ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਧਨਾ ॥੫॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਨਰ ਨਾਰੀ ਆਸਰਮਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਭਿ ਵਰਨਾ ॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਗੁਣੀ ਚਤੁਰ ਸਭਿ ਬੇਤੇ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਰੈਣੀ ਅਰੁ ਦਿਨਾ ॥੬॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਘੜੀ ਮੂਰਤ ਪਲ ਨਿਮਖਾ ॥ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਕਾਲੁ ਅਕਾਲੁ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੋਚਾ ॥
ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਸਉਣ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸੰਜੋਗਾ ਅਲਖੁ ਨ ਲਖੀਐ ਇਕੁ ਖਿਨਾ ॥੭॥
ਕਰਨ ਕਰਾਵਨਹਾਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥ ਸਗਲ ਘਟਾ ਕੇ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥
ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਵਹੁ ਜਨਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਸੋ ਜਿਨਾ ॥੮॥
How could I be as strong
as they are? This is their bhagti that gave them the highest posts and
their deeds sometimes punished them too. Like we all know the story of Indra
and Ahalya, and how Indra was sent out of heavens. Such a mighty deity, and
he’s out!? Why is that? Guru Sahib mentions that too.
ਅਭਮਾਨੁ
ਉਤਾਰਨ
ਦੇਵਤਿਆ
ਮਹਿਖਾਸੁਰ
ਸੁੰਡ
ਉਪਾਇਆ
॥
ਜੀਤ
ਲਏ
ਤਿਨ
ਦੇਵਤੇ
ਤਿਹ
ਲੋਕੀ
ਰਾਜੁ
ਕਮਾਇਆ
॥
Haume is
the biggest disease in the world. And the deities have that too.
You are talking about the
jot of Waheguru in me and asking me to do what Krishan did. If Waheguru
wants, He can make someone do this:
ਕੀੜਾ
ਥਾਪਿ
ਦੇਇ
ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ
ਲਸਕਰ
ਕਰੇ
ਸੁਆਹ
॥
It is all under His
command. Even you can perform the miracles if Waheguru wishes. And in Krishna
Avtar, Guru Gobind Singh ji created a character named Kharag Singh. He fought
with Krishan and his armies. Kharag Singh killed everyone who came in his way
and others left the battlefield.
There were bodies and
limbs on the ground, blood everywhere. When Krishan saw his armies getting
vanquished, he left the battlefield. There’s no one who could have killed
Kharag Singh. Later he realized that he shouldn’t have left the battlefield. So
he went again in there with another army and asked Kharag Singh to pick his
weapons because he’s going to kill him soon. Kharag Singh replied, go away and
live your life. You do not even have a moustache on your face, staying here
would definitely give you death. You know very well if you stay here, you will not
live; it’s better if you go away.
ਦੋਹਰਾ
॥
ਖੜਗ
ਸਿੰਘ
ਕੋ
ਹਰਿ
ਕਹਯੋ
ਅਬ
ਤੂੰ
ਖੜਗ
ਸੰਭਾਰ
॥
ਜਾਮ
ਦਿਵਸ
ਕੇ
ਰਹਤ
ਹੀ
ਡਾਰੋ
ਤੋਹ
ਸੰਘਾਰ
॥੧੪੪੪॥
ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ
॥
ਕੋਪ
ਕੈ
ਬੈਨ
ਕਹੈ
ਖੜਗੇਸ
ਕੋ
ਸ੍ਰੀ
ਹਰਿ
ਜੂ
ਧਨ
ਬਾਨਨ
ਲੈਕੈ
॥
ਚਾਮ
ਕੇ
ਦਾਮ
ਚਲਾਇ
ਲਏ
ਤਮਹੂ
ਰਨ
ਮੈ
ਮਨ
ਕੋ
ਨਿਰਭੈ
ਕੈ
॥
ਮਤਿ
ਕਰੀ
ਗਰਬੈ
ਤਬ
ਲਉ
ਜਗ
ਲਉ
ਮ੍ਰਿਗਰਾਜ
ਗਹਿਓ
ਨ
ਰਿਸੈ
ਕੈ
॥
ਕਾਹੇ
ਕਉ
ਪ੍ਰਾਨਨ
ਸੋ
ਧਨ
ਖੋਵਤ
ਜਾਹੁ
ਭਲੇ
ਹਥਿਯਾਰਨ
ਦੈ
ਕੈ
॥੧੪੪੫॥
ਯੋਂ
ਸੁਨ
ਕੈ
ਹਰਿ
ਕੀ
ਬਤੀਆ
ਤਬਹੀ
ਨ੍ਰਿਪ
ਉੱਤਰ
ਦੇਤ
ਭਯੋ
ਹੈ
॥
ਕਾਹੇ
ਕਉ
ਸੋਰ
ਕਰੈ
ਰਨ
ਮੈ
ਬਨ
ਮੈ
ਜਨੁ
ਕਾਹੂ
ਨੇ
ਲੂਟ
ਲਯੋ
ਹੈ
॥
ਬੋਲਤ
ਹੋ
ਹਠਿ
ਕੇ
ਸਠਿ
ਜਿਉ
ਹਮ
ਤੇ
ਕਈ
ਬਾਰਨ
ਭਾਜ
ਗਯੋ
ਹੈ
॥
ਨਾਮ
ਪਰਯੋ
ਬ੍ਰਿਜਰਾਜ
ਬ੍ਰਿਥਾ
ਬਿਨ
ਲਾਜ
ਸਮਾਜ
ਮੈ
ਆਜੁ
ਖਯੋ
ਹੈ
॥੧੪੪੬॥
Their battle started and
Kharag Singh filled Krishan’s body with arrows.
ਜਿਉ
ਘਨ
ਬੂੰਦਨ
ਤਿਉ
ਸਰ
ਸਿਉ
ਕਮਲਾਪਤਿ
ਕੋ
ਤਨ
ਤਾਲ
ਭਰਯੋ
ਹੈ
॥੧੪੫੩॥
With his power, Krishan
called the armies from the heavens. Indra came with his army. Kharag Singh
killed them and Indra and others left the battlefield. Then Krishan called
Varun devta, Kharag Singh killed his army too and soon he also left
because it’s not possible to win a battle against Kharag Singh. Baljit Singh
ji, this’s the character that Guru Gobind Singh ji is creating for the Khalsa,
who will not be afraid of anyone even when it comes to fighting a deity. And
you are calling them (Khalsa) merely an army, nothing more. Will come to that
too because this post is going to be very big.
Then demons came, Kharag
Singh killed them too.
Later, Krishna called
Shivji with his sons and armies. All were worried what could be there that
Vishnu couldn’t handle and he needed help. When they all came in the
battleground, Kharag Singh asked them to fight with all the power that they
have, he will kill them all.
ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ
॥
ਰੇ
ਸਿਵ
ਆਜ
ਅਯੋਧਨ
ਮੈ
ਲਰਿ
ਲੈ
ਹਮ
ਸੋ
ਕਰ
ਲੈ
ਬਲ
ਜੇਤੋ
॥
ਐ
ਰੇ
ਗਨੇਸ
ਲਰੈ
ਹਮਰੇ
ਸੰਗ
ਹੈ
ਤੁਮਰੇ
ਤਨ
ਮੈ
ਬਲੁ
ਏਤੋ
॥
Shivji replied him too
that you would be killed now. Kharag Singh said when your army started shouting
and running, you will run away too.
ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ
॥
ਕਿਉ
ਸਿਵ
ਮਾਨ
ਕਰੈ
ਇਤਨੋ
ਭਜਿ
ਹੈ
ਤਬਹੀ
ਜਬ
ਮਾਰ
ਮਚੈਗੀ
॥
ਏਕ
ਹੀ
ਬਾਨ
ਲਗੈ
ਕਪ
ਜਿਉ
ਸਿਗਰੀ
ਤੁਮਰੀ
ਅਬ
ਸੈਨ
ਨਚੈਗੀ
॥
Kharag Singh killed all
the people and the mighty deities left the battleground. All of them. Later,
Kharag Singh pulled Krishan from his hair like Krishan did to Kans, and was
ready to kill him but then he stopped. He told Krishan that you are a great
warrior, if I kill you there will not be any great warrior left.
ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ
॥
ਚਿੰਤ
ਕਰੀ
ਚਿਤ
ਮੈ
ਤਿਹ
ਭੂਪਤ
ਜੋ
ਇਹ
ਕਉ
ਅਬ
ਹਉ
ਬਧ
ਕੈਹਉ
॥
ਸੈਨ
ਸਭੈ
ਭਜ
ਹੈ
ਜਬਹੀ
ਤਬ
ਕਾ
ਸੰਗ
ਜਾਇਕੈ
ਜੁੱਧੁ
ਮਚੈ
ਹਉ
॥
ਹਉ
ਕਿਹ
ਪੈ
ਕਰਿਹੋ
ਬਹੁ
ਘਾਇਨ
ਕਾ
ਕੇ
ਹਉ
ਘਾਇ
ਸਨੰਮੁਖ
ਖੈਹਉ
॥
ਛਾਡ
ਦਯੋ
ਕਹਿਓ
ਜਾਹੁ
ਚਲੇ
ਹਰਿ
ਤੋ
ਸਮ
ਸੂਰ
ਕਹੂ
ਨਹੀ
ਪੈਹਉ
॥੧੫੩੩॥
There is a great battle
and many more things too after this, but I just want to convey to you that this
is the mindset of Khalsa that Guru Gobind Singh ji wanted to create. That’s the
main reason behind the writing of these great stories so that Khalsa can have
warrior spirit all the time. And this is also the main reason behind the
disregard of this bani by anti-panthic people because they just
want the Sikhs to have rosaries in their hands but not the weapons. Those who
are claiming that it’s written by some brahmin/pandit, which pandit/brahmin
could have written that Krishna is lying on the battleground like a lost
warrior? Which brahmin/pandit could have written that Indra, Shivji, Krishan, etc.,
ran away from the battlefield?
So, Khalsa ji, this bani
is written by none other than Guru Gobind Singh ji. Read bani yourself,
don’t follow the anti-panthic people who are just telling you not to
read.
And Baljit Singh ji, you mentioned
that Guru Gobind Singh ji’s bani is not written by him because some
‘scholars’ say it too. That is not the reason, bhaji. The real reason is the
verses in there which are not letting your worship Krishna. Scholars are just
an excuse so that you can use the shabads of Guru Granth Sahib ji and
tell which deity is worshipped where.
Just say for the sake of
the argument that the ‘scholars’ which are saying that this’s not the bani
of Guru Gobind Singh ji, if they started saying that it’s, will you believe
that? Or will have another reason to say why it’s not? You will need so much of
time and learning if you really want to know about Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji,
not just the ‘scholars say’ thing.
There is one main scholar
which is used by many anti-panthic people and his name is Dr. Ratan
Singh Jaggi. I do not know if you know him or not. He did his PhD on this and
wrote the thesis that this’s not gurbani. Later he wrote another thesis
that it’s the bani of Guru Gobind Singh ji. Which one you believe? And
those who are beating their chests that Ratan Singh Jaggi wrote this or that do
not tell us common Sikhs that Ratan Singh has never been outspoken this as
anti-panthic people do. He just wrote his thesis and later agreed that
this is bani.
The other puppet that you
can think of might be Dilgeer Singh. It’s after he got the influence of Kaala
Afghana (also writing about him here)
and started getting money from agencies when he flipped the switch of opinion.
Earlier he was such a great scholar and has many books on his name. But money
blinds people.
And Dasam Guru Granth
Sahib ji’s bani is the one which will shatter all the beliefs of those,
including you, who say that gurbani talks about the incarnations of
deities (especially the names) and they are worshipped without knowing the
meanings of the words. Here, you will get the direct message.
ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜੇ ਫੇਰਿ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸਨ ਬਿਸਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹਿ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥
ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨ੍ਯੋ ॥
ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨ੍ਯੋ ॥
ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈਂ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨ੍ਯੋ ॥
ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹ੍ਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨ੍ਯੋ ॥੧॥
This is the
core thing of Sikhi, which anti-panthic people are not using for their
mean meanings. But they will never be successful in that. Do the propaganda as
you wish, but you are still there where you were in the 90s.
Baljit Singh
ji, you used the name of Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji too. I think you might
have intentionally used his name because he’s among those who believed in the bani
of Guru Gobind Singh ji, including Charitropakhyan. And he’s in the group too
which asked Jathedar Jogindar Singh Vedanti to see that the notes are written
where necessary in Gurbilas Patshahi Chevi.
If people
want to say Giani Sant Singh Maskeen had some Brahmanical influence, they are wrong.
Even now many people use the examples of many kings in the past in the katha,
that doesn’t make them followers of the Smritis/Vedas. Giani Kartar Singh ji
Khalsa Bhindrawale gave an example of Prophet Mohammed too once, does it make
him a follower of Islam? No. Then he said a very beautiful thing that I shared
many times: when you want to have milk, you do not care about the religion of
the caretaker of buffaloes. Same way when something is there to learn, you can
learn from anyone. Even I read the books of other religions. Recently I started
reading Quran. It’s okay to read any books of other religions. But it’s NOT
OKAY to change the meanings of gurbani.
Now let’s
talk about Baljit Singh Delhi. He’s the person who’s also changing the meanings
of gurbani. You said that you didn’t see any intentional lie in
his video. Did you listen him say that you should meditate on the name of
Waheguru to have liberation? No. It’s the main thing in Sikhi and he didn’t
talk about it, just talked about the casteism and superstition. I said the same
in the video that he said few things correctly but he didn’t talk about naam
simran.
And this is
how the meanings are changed. Don’t tell the correct meanings and people will
start believing that the meanings told to them are correct. Same is true for
those who are just having the English translation of Guru Granth Sahib ji and
doing just copy and paste.
This is not
only limited to Baljit Singh Delhi; Inderjit Singh Ghagga, Ranjit Singh
Dhadriyawala, Darshan Singh, Kaala Afghana, Sarabjit Singh Dhunda, Panthpreet
Singh, Gurcharan Singh Jeonwala, Dilgeer Singh, Jagtar Singh Jachak, and many
more people are there who are just destroying Sikhi by using their little
brains. I do not know how many of the names you know, but you can check their
videos on YouTube and decide. And guess what, none of them will agree with you
that the shabad that you are using is talking about Krishna. 😊
Now comes the
part of me giving you a verse that you are saying that I am saying the deities
are just the kings. First of all, this is not me but gurbani. Secondly,
it doesn’t mean that they didn’t have powers. Guru Amardas ji says the same
that there were kings in different yugs and they were called avatars by
people. Even they have not known Him completely. Then how could you say they
were the avatars of Waheguru?
ਜੁਗਹ
ਜੁਗਹ
ਕੇ
ਰਾਜੇ
ਕੀਏ
ਗਾਵਹਿ
ਕਰਿ
ਅਵਤਾਰੀ
॥
ਤਿਨ
ਭੀ
ਅੰਤੁ
ਨ
ਪਾਇਆ
ਤਾ
ਕਾ
ਕਿਆ
ਕਰਿ
ਆਖਿ
ਵੀਚਾਰੀ
॥੭॥
Vaar of Bhai
Gurdas ji says the same.
ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਆਕਾਰ ਕਰ ਏਕ ਕਵਾਉ ਪਸਾਉ ਪਸਾਰਾ॥
ਪੰਚ ਤੱਤ ਪਰਵਾਨ ਕਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਅੰਦਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਨ ਸਾਰਾ॥
ਕਾਦਰ ਕਿਨੇ ਨ ਲਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤ ਸਾਜ ਕੀਆ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ॥
ਇਕਦੂੰ ਕੁਦਰਤ ਲੱਖ ਕਰ ਲੱਖ ਬਿਅੰਤ ਅਸੰਖ ਅਪਾਰਾ॥
ਰੋਮ ਰੋਮ ਵਿਚ ਰਖਿਓਨ ਕਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਕਰੋੜ ਸ਼ੁਮਾਰਾ॥
ਇਕਸ ਇਕਸ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ਵਿਚ ਦਸ ਦਸ ਕਰ ਔਤਾਰ ਉਤਾਰਾ॥
ਕੇਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਬਿਆਸ ਕਰ ਕਈ ਕਤੇਬ ਮਹੰਮਦ ਯਾਰਾ॥
ਕੁਦਰਤ ਇਕ ਏਤਾ ਪਾਸਾਰਾ ॥੪॥
So, bhaji, here it’s not
about you or me, but gurbani. I am saying it again that I am not against
the deities and those who worship them. They can do as they wish, but nobody
should bring Sikhi into something that it shuns badly. So please I urge you
that you can follow Krishna and sing his praises. But please don’t use gurbani
to prove your point.
ਇਨ
ਮਹਿ
ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ
ਸੁ
ਦਸ
ਅਵਤਾਰਾ
॥
ਜਿਨ
ਮਹਿ
ਰਮਿਯਾ
ਰਾਮ
ਹਮਾਰਾ
॥
ਅਨਤ
ਚਤੁਰ
ਦਸ
ਗਨ
ਅਵਤਾਰੂ
॥
ਕਹੋ
ਜੁ
ਤਿਨ
ਤਿਨ
ਕੀਏ
ਅਖਾਰੂ
॥੪॥
ਜੋ
ਚਉਬੀਸ
ਅਵਤਾਰ
ਕਹਾਏ
॥
ਤਿਨ
ਭੀ
ਤੁਮ
ਪ੍ਰਭ
ਤਨਕ
ਨ
ਪਾਏ
॥
ਸਭ
ਹੀ
ਜਗ
ਭਰਮੇ
ਭਵਰਾਯੰ
॥
ਤਾ
ਤੇ
ਨਾਮੁ
ਬਿਅੰਤ
ਕਹਾਯੰ
॥੭॥
ਕਿਤੇ
ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ
ਸੇ
ਕੀਟ
ਕੋਟੈ
ਬਨਾਏ
॥
ਕਿਤੇ
ਰਾਮ
ਸੇ
ਮੇਟਿ
ਡਾਰੇ
ਉਪਾਏ
॥
ਮਹਾਂਦੀਨ
ਕੇਤੇ
ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀ
ਮਾਂਝ
ਹੂਏ
॥
ਸਮੈ
ਆਪਨੀ
ਆਪਨੀ
ਅੰਤਿ
ਮੂਏ
॥੨੭॥
It doesn’t mean that we
humans should say that Krishan or Ram or Prophet Mohammad were nothing, no.
Guru Sahib is saying in contrast to Waheguru. There’s no deity which can be
compared to Him. So, bhaji, you are saying Vishnu and Shivji are avatars of
Waheguru, but gurbani doesn’t say it. I will come to the vaar of
Bhai Gurdas ji too that you have been using and you posted the same on Quora
too.
Also, I couldn’t understand
why you are saying there’re only 5 avatars and then saying that Guru Gobind
Singh ji mentioned 24 avatars. There are so many things that I didn’t get at
all. Now let me give you the names of the 10 avatars that I said. Macchh,
Kacchh, Varah, Narsingh, Vaman, Parshuram, Ramchandra, Krishan, Bhudd, Kalki.
These are the 10 avatars which are mentioned in gurbani and Bhai Gurdas
ji’s vaar. Actually, there are 24 avatars, but 10 are main avatars, you can
say.
Next is your claim of
Guru Nanak Dev ji an avatar of Vishnu. 😐
Firstly, it was so hard
for me to understand how you could have come to such a conclusion which has no
base in gurbani. Then I saw your post
talking about adishakti.org. I remember talking about them in a series
where I explained that their claim that Guru Gobind Singh ji worshipped some
deity is wrong because their knowledge of the Gurmukhi language is not correct
otherwise they would not have made a big blunder while trying to translate the bani
of Dasam Guru Granth Sahib ji. If you want, you can check it out.
Secondly, Guru Gobind
Singh ji wrote Chobis Avtar, you yourself mentioned it in your post (and on the
other side, you do not believe in the bani of Guru Gobind Singh ji.
Strange.) There Guru Gobind Singh ji didn’t mention that Guru Nanak Dev ji was an
incarnation of Vishnu. How you got to know? Or which part of gurbani
says it?
Thirdly, we have the vaar
of Bhai Gurdas ji.
ਸਤਿਜੁਗ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਾਵਾ ਵਿਸ਼ਨਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਾਵੈ॥
ਦੁਆਪਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਧਿਆਵੈ॥
ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖ ਪਾਵੈ॥
ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਾਵੈ॥
ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ॥
ਚਾਰੋਂ ਅਛਰ ਇਕ ਕਰ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜਪ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ॥
ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਫਿਰ ਤਹਾਂ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੪੯॥੧॥
Let me say it
again about this vaar, I will write it in a more elaborated way in
future. Here, let’s just do it in few words.
There are
four different names of Waheguru here: Vasdev, Har, Ram, Gobind. These names
are not to tell that they were the avatars of Vishnu. I asked this question and
will ask again, who was the avatar of Vasdev and Gobind? If you are going to
translate that Vishnu’s avatar was Guru Nanak Dev ji, then why Gobind word is
mentioned? And most importantly, Guru Nanak Dev ji didn’t give Gobind word to
Sikhs, I mean the gurmantar was Waheguru, not Gobind. You yourself
mentioned the following shabad (that’s a different thing that you
mistranslated it.)
ਸਭੁ
ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ
ਹੈ
ਸਭੁ
ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ
ਹੈ
ਗੋਬਿੰਦ
ਬਿਨੁ
ਨਹੀ
ਕੋਈ
॥
That shabad
is of Bhagat Namdev ji, who was born before Guru Nanak Dev ji, that means the
word was already there. Then how come Guru Nanak Dev ji started giving Gobind
name? The name which was not there should be given will make more sense, like
Waheguru word, which was not there. Why Gobind naam japave is written
then?
And if we
read gurbani, we will see that Vasdev is not for Vishnu but Waheguru.
ਵਾਸੁਦੇਵ
ਸਰਬਤ੍ਰ
ਮੈ
ਊਨ
ਨ
ਕਤਹੂ
ਠਾਇ
॥
ਅੰਤਰਿ
ਬਾਹਰਿ
ਸੰਗਿ
ਹੈ
ਨਾਨਕ
ਕਾਇ
ਦੁਰਾਇ
॥੧॥
ਵਾਸੁਦੇਵ
ਜਲ
ਥਲ
ਮਹਿ
ਰਵਿਆ
॥
ਵਵੈ
ਵਾਸੁਦੇਉ
ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ
ਵੇਖਣ
ਕਉ
ਜਿਨਿ
ਵੇਸੁ
ਕੀਆ
॥
ਵੇਖੈ
ਚਾਖੈ
ਸਭੁ
ਕਿਛੁ
ਜਾਣੈ
ਅੰਤਰਿ
ਬਾਹਰਿ
ਰਵਿ
ਰਹਿਆ
॥੩੨॥
ਵਵੈ
ਵਾਰੀ
ਆਈਆ
ਮੂੜੇ
ਵਾਸੁਦੇਉ
ਤੁਧੁ
ਵੀਸਰਿਆ
॥
ਏਹ
ਵੇਲਾ
ਨ
ਲਹਸਹਿ
ਮੂੜੇ
ਫਿਰਿ
ਤੂੰ
ਜਮ
ਕੈ
ਵਸਿ
ਪਇਆ
॥੧੨॥
Vasdev is Waheguru who is
omnipresent.
These are the names of
Waheguru that people were meditating on in different yugs. Guru Nanak
Dev ji took all the names and made one name Waheguru.
I never said that people
who were doing the rituals in the earlier Ages were wrong. But in this Age of
Darkness, there’s only name of Waheguru. Gurbani says it with a clear meaning.
ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗਾ ਕਾ ਹੁਣਿ ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਨਰ ਮਨੁਖਾ ਨੋ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਧਾਨਾ ॥
ਜਤੁ ਸੰਜਮ ਤੀਰਥ ਓਨਾ ਜੁਗਾ ਕਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਕਲਿ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ॥੨॥
ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਸੋਧਿ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨਾ ॥
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਿਨੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਗਿ ਤੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਪਰਵਾਨਾ ॥੩॥
On the other
hand, Guru Sahib says that people went astray and the avatars started calling
themselves Waheguru.
ਤੇ ਹਮ ਤਮਕਿ ਤਨਕ ਮੋ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਥਾਪੇ ॥
ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਲ ਪੂਜਾ ਉਰਝਾਏ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਮੇਸਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੭॥
ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਅਚੁੱਤ ਕਹਵਾਯੋ ॥ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੋ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਆਪ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੮॥
ਤਬ ਸਾਖੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਸਟ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਾਖ ਨਮਿਤ ਦੇਬੇ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ ॥
ਤੇ ਕਹੈ ਕਰੋ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਹਮ ਬਿਨ ਅਵਰ ਨ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੯॥
ਪਰਮ ਤੱਤ ਕੋ ਜਿਨ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕਰਿ ਈਸਰ ਤਿਨ ਕਹੁ ਮਾਨਾ ॥
ਕੇਤੇ ਸੂਰ ਚੰਦ ਕਹੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥ ਅਗਨ ਹੋਤ੍ਰ ਕਈ ਪਵਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨੈ ॥੧੦॥
ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਨੑਾਤਿ ਕਿਤੇ ਜਲ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਧਾਨਾ ॥
ਕੇਤਕ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਡਰਪਾਨਾ ॥ ਧਰਮਰਾਜ ਕੋ ਧਰਮ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੧੧॥
ਜੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਾਖ ਨਮਿਤ ਠਹਰਾਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਹਿਆਂ ਆਇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਹਵਾਏ ॥
ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਾਤ ਬਿਸਰ ਜਾਤੀ ਭੀ ॥ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਪਰਤ ਸੋਭ ਭੀ ॥੧੨॥
ਜਬ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਨ ਤਿਨੈ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਬ ਹਰਿ ਇਨ ਮਨੁਛਨ ਠਹਿਰਾਨਾ ॥
ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਸਿ ਮਮਤਾ ਹੁਇ ਗਏ ॥ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਪਾਹਨ ਠਹਿਰਏ ॥੧੩॥
ਤਬ ਹਰਿ ਸਿੱਧ ਸਾਧ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ ॥ਤਿਨ ਭੀ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਏ ॥
ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਹੋਤ ਭਯੋ ਜਗਿ ਸਿਆਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤਿਨ ਅਪਨੋ ਪੰਥੁ ਚਲਾਨਾ ॥੧੪॥
ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਬੈਰ ਬਾਦ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਬਢਾਯੋ ॥
ਪੇਡ ਪਾਤ ਆਪਨ ਤੇ ਜਲੈ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਪੰਥ ਨ ਕੋਊ ਚਲੈ ॥੧੫॥
All this was to reply to
the claims of Guru Nanak Dev ji to be an incarnation of Vishnu, and Vishnu is
avatar of Waheguru. Let me have it in the following points in short.
1.
Vishnu
is no avatar of Waheguru, but he’s jot of Waheguru.
2.
Guru
Nanak Dev ji is no avatar of Vishnu but Waheguru.
3.
There’s
no worshipping of any deities in Sikhism.
4.
Deities
are nothing more than insects in front of Waheguru.
Next and important part
is the religion. You ignored that Guru Sahib started a new religion/panth.
You also said ‘Religions are curse of Kali Purush, Kalyug. It is a chain of
slavery put around us to divide us and make us hate each other.’ Maybe it’s
the definition of religion that you have and it’s not the same what I have,
that might be the reason I am not agreeing here. I have given my view of what
religion is on Quora.
I will just copy and paste here.
Religions are the ways to
experience God. As these days, people are not liking the word ‘Religion’, so
they have started saying that it’s ‘a way of life.’ Actually, if we think it
thoroughly, we will see that all the religions are ways of lives according to
the rules of the religions. Wherever there are rules, there will be ways of
living your life, because the rules are defining how to live life. It’s not
only limited to religions but the countries too where we have the constitutions
to tell what things to do and what not to, otherwise they will throw us in
jail. So, let’s just leave the argument that religions are bad or they didn’t
exist at all because it will be wrong; whenever people start following the
rules to talk to God or achieve Oneness, they are already in a religion (if the
word ‘Religion’ disgusts you, you can change the word, but the reality will be
the same: religions have been there for a long time.)
Since the starting of
human race (you can believe in Adam and Eve, or evolution, no problem, my point
is since humans/apes start understanding the surrounding), they have been
trying to understand the creation in a way which was giving them some inspects
of the creator. When they didn’t have answers to the questions, they tried to
attach this to God (these days, many people are saying that they were wrong and
all, let’s skip that part.) So in this or that way, God always plays the role
in the lives of humans; they understand God in different ways and start
worshipping Him in ways which they understand or are familiar/easy.
Religions are not to
divide or to spread hate. Religions are ways to experience Waheguru. You also
mentioned ‘According to Hindu belief’, when you mentioned it you
yourself said it to be a group (a religion, I will prefer, but you can have any
name here.) Even gurbani talks it that there are different
groups/religions in the world. I’ve given the verses earlier. Let’s have more
here.
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਅੰਨੑਾ
ਤੁਰਕੂ
ਕਾਣਾ
॥
ਦੁਹਾਂ
ਤੇ
ਗਿਆਨੀ
ਸਿਆਣਾ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਪੂਜੈ
ਦੇਹੁਰਾ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ
ਮਸੀਤਿ
॥
ਤੁਰਕ
ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁਕਨਿ
ਰਿਦੈ
ਸਮਾਹਿ
॥
ਲੋਕ
ਮੁਹਾਵਹਿ
ਚਾੜੀ
ਖਾਹਿ॥
ਚਉਕਾ
ਦੇ
ਕੈ
ਸੁਚਾ
ਹੋਇ
॥
ਐਸਾ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਵੇਖਹੁ
ਕੋਇ
॥
ਏਥੈ
ਜਾਣੈ
ਸੁ
ਜਾਇ
ਸਿਞਾਣੈ
॥
ਹੋਰੁ
ਫਕੜੁ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੈ
॥
ਸਭਨਾ
ਕਾ
ਦਰਿ
ਲੇਖਾ
ਹੋਇ
॥
ਕਰਣੀ
ਬਾਝਹੁ
ਤਰੈ
ਨ
ਕੋਇ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਕਾ
ਸਾਹਿਬੁ
ਏਕ
॥
ਕਹ
ਕਰੈ
ਮੁਲਾਂ
ਕਹ
ਕਰੈ
ਸੇਖ
॥੩॥
ਜੋਗੀ
ਗੋਰਖੁ
ਗੋਰਖੁ
ਕਰੈ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਰਾਮ
ਨਾਮੁ
ਉਚਰੈ
॥
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ
ਕਾ
ਏਕੁ
ਖੁਦਾਇ
॥
ਕਬੀਰ
ਕਾ
ਸੁਆਮੀ
ਰਹਿਆ
ਸਮਾਇ
॥੪॥੩॥੧੧॥
ਕਾਜੀ
ਮੁਲਾਂ
ਬਿਨਤੀ
ਫੁਰਮਾਇ
॥
ਬਖਸੀ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਮੈ
ਤੇਰੀ
ਗਾਇ
॥੨੨॥
ਤੁਰਕ
ਤਰੀਕਤਿ
ਜਾਨੀਐ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਬੇਦ
ਪੁਰਾਨ
॥
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨਾ
ਸਿਫਤਿ
ਸਰੀਅਤਿ
ਪੜਿ
ਪੜਿ
ਕਰਹਿ
ਬੀਚਾਰੁ
॥
ਬੰਦੇ
ਸੇ
ਜਿ
ਪਵਹਿ
ਵਿਚਿ
ਬੰਦੀ
ਵੇਖਣ
ਕਉ
ਦੀਦਾਰੁ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਸਾਲਾਹੀ
ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ
ਦਰਸਨਿ
ਰੂਪਿ
ਅਪਾਰੁ
॥
ਤੀਰਥਿ
ਨਾਵਹਿ
ਅਰਚਾ
ਪੂਜਾ
ਅਗਰ
ਵਾਸੁ
ਬਹਕਾਰੁ
॥
ਕਹਤ
ਕਬੀਰ
ਰਾਮ
ਗੁਨ
ਗਾਵਉ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਦੋਊ
ਸਮਝਾਵਉ
॥੪॥੪॥੧੩॥
ਕਹੂੰ
ਹੁਇਕੈ
ਹਿੰਦੂਆ
ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ
ਕੋ
ਗੁਪਤ
ਜਪਿਓ
ਕਹੂੰ
ਹੁਇਕੈ
ਤੁਰਕਾ
ਪੁਕਾਰੇ
ਬਾਂਗ
ਦੇਤ
ਹੋ
॥
All these verses I gave
just to say that religions have been there in the world before the British came
in India. What about the following shabad of Guru Arjan Dev ji?
ਭੈਰਉ
ਮਹਲਾ
੫
॥
ਵਰਤ
ਨ
ਰਹਉ
ਨ
ਮਹ
ਰਮਦਾਨਾ
॥
ਤਿਸੁ
ਸੇਵੀ
ਜੋ
ਰਖੈ
ਨਿਦਾਨਾ
॥੧॥
ਏਕੁ
ਗੁਸਾਈ
ਅਲਹੁ
ਮੇਰਾ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਦੁਹਾਂ
ਨੇਬੇਰਾ
॥੧॥
ਰਹਾਉ
॥
ਹਜ
ਕਾਬੈ
ਜਾਉ
ਨ
ਤੀਰਥ
ਪੂਜਾ
॥
ਏਕੋ
ਸੇਵੀ
ਅਵਰੁ
ਨ
ਦੂਜਾ
॥੨॥
ਪੂਜਾ
ਕਰਉ
ਨ
ਨਿਵਾਜ
ਗੁਜਾਰਉ
॥
ਏਕ
ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ
ਲੇ
ਰਿਦੈ
ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ
॥੩॥
ਨਾ
ਹਮ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਨ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ
॥ਅਲਹ
ਰਾਮ
ਕੇ
ਪਿੰਡੁ
ਪਰਾਨ
॥੪॥
ਕਹੁ
ਕਬੀਰ
ਇਹੁ
ਕੀਆ
ਵਖਾਨਾ
॥
ਗੁਰ
ਪੀਰ
ਮਿਲਿ
ਖੁਦਿ
ਖਸਮੁ
ਪਛਾਨਾ
॥੫॥੩॥
Just to prove your point,
you gave two sakhis. First one is related to Guru Nanak Dev ji and
second one to Guru Teg Bahadur ji. And you interpreted both wrongly just to change
your opinion into a fact. I will write both of them here so that people would
know how the bend is created to prove something.
ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸਿੱਕਾ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਪੰਥ ਚਲਾਯਾ॥
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
ਤਿਨ ਇਹ ਕਲ ਮੋ ਧਰਮੁ ਚਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਸਭ ਸਾਧਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹੁ ਬਤਾਯੋ ॥
ਜੋ ਤਾਂ ਕੇ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਮਹਿ ਆਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਪ ਸੰਤਾਏ ॥
Guru Nanak Dev ji went to
Kurukshetra during a festival to give the message of Sikhi. There were so many
pandits available to do the rituals. This is one of the stories that many
people sometimes use to say that Guru Nanak Dev ji went to Hindu holy places,
so he followed all what the Hindus believe in. NO. To deliver a message, Guru
Sahib went to all the four directions. Not only to Hindu places but Muslim’s
too. Guru Nanak Dev ji is Jagat Guru, who came on this earth to spread the
message of Waheguru. Those who say there’s no Sikhi at all, then there wouldn’t
have been any reason of going to different places to talk to the people, Guru
Sahib would have followed the same, but this is not the case. And idiots like
Ajit Vadakayil wrote that the British injected poison in the Vedas, so before
that there would have been clean Vedas, right? Then why Guru Sahib wrote gurbani
if there’s already Vedas available? If there’s no difference between Sikhi and
Hinduism, why didn’t Guru Sahib accept the Vedas and Smritis? I am not
delivering the message that they are bad, no. All the religious books can be
read, but Sikhs only believe in gurbani.
There in Kurukshetra,
Guru Sahib wanted to talk to pandits who gathered there. Guru Sahib gave
messages to people according to his ways. A queen came to Guru Nanak Dev ji and
put a dead deer in front of him and asked him to give her son something (some
power) so that he could go and win the battles again, as they’d been sent out
by the enemies. Guru Sahib asked them to clean the deer and start cooking it.
Many Sikhs who eat non-veg, they bring this sakhi of Guru Nanak Dev ji
to prove their point that it’s allowed in Sikhi. Just this thing of Guru Nanak
Dev ji, they will not talk about the complete sakhi and the updesh
of Guru Sahib, and nowhere in this sakhi Guru Sahib said to eat non-veg.
People are really weird.
When pandits saw the
smoke in the air, they started gritting their teeth that there’s solar eclipse
and Guru Nanak Dev ji is cooking. They all went to him.
They asked Guru Nanak Dev
ji why he’s cooking. Guru Sahib said I was hungry so I started cooking. A
pandit said that he saw that it’s meat that he’s cooking here. That angered the
pandits and they got ready to hit Guru Sahib. Guru Sahib said politely if you
want to hit me, hit me; if you want to talk, then let’s talk. Many people then
gathered around Guru Nanak Dev ji. This’s the main motive of Guru Nanak Dev ji
to gather the people so that Guru Sahib could give wisdom to them.
Then there came Naanu
Pandit also whose name was Nanak Chand among other pandits. He’d read that
there would be an avatar of Waheguru who would come in Kalyug, so he started
calling himself that. Guru Nanak Dev ji talked with the pandits and when they
were losing the debate, they pushed Naanu Pandit in front of Guru Nanak Dev ji.
Even he couldn’t answer everything and later they all said that we agree with
you whatever you are saying but you shouldn’t have cooked meat today. Guru
Sahib said that there’s no meat but kheer. When they checked, it’s kheer
which was there. Then Naanu also said that he would not be calling himself
Nanak Chand but Naanu.
This is the story of Guru
Nanak Dev ji. Even, bhaji, if the link that you gave in the post
we consider, it’s mentioned there ‘The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu
and Shiv ji is God almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as
a human, in the form of one whose name will be NANAK.’ So Guru Sahib was
avatar of Waheguru, not Vishnu. And even if there’s mentioned that he’s a
Vishnu avatar in the Vedas, then the gurbani doesn’t believe that. It’s
as simple as that. All the religious books around the world are only good for
Sikhs if they are according to gurbani, if it’s something against gurbani,
Sikhs do not believe in that.
ਨਾਨਕਿ
ਰਾਜੁ
ਚਲਾਇਆ
ਸਚੁ
ਕੋਟੁ
ਸਤਾਣੀ
ਨੀਵ
ਦੈ
॥
Now let’s have the story
from the life of Guru Teg Bahadur ji. Before we go in detail, let’s first
understand that there’re many stories written down, and some of them are not
according to gurmat. So for Sikhs, the first source of truth will always
be gurbani, if there’s something which is against gurbani, we do
not believe it to be the sakhi of the Sikh Gurus.
When Guru Teg Bahadur ji
went to Delhi, he was locked up in a room with other people. It’s said that
there’re very bad souls there, so the Mughals chose that place for that
specific reason. A pret came to Guru Teg Bahadur ji and told his story
that how he happened to fall in that jooni. With Guru’s blessings, he
got liberated from that. In the morning, when the Qazis and others opened the
door, they were shocked to see them alive. Later Aurangzeb came to meet Guru
Sahib.
He had a long discussion
with Guru Sahib and told him that Hindus believe in you, they call you their
guru, you know as well that in Guru Nanak’s House, there is no devotion to the
deities and the stones, it’s better if you ask these people to convert. I am
ready to give them any money, honour, women and anything that they need in this
world. It’s written that if you convert a kafir into Islam, you go to
Heavens. If you ask them to convert to Islam and you do the same, I will be
under your command. You will be having miri of this country and I will
have piri.
Guru Sahib said
forcefully changing the religion is wrong. You shouldn’t do it. And I will not
change my religion just to have pleasant days in future.
They had a long
discussion and then Guru Sahib asked for the chillies and told that you want to
have one religion from two, but there will be three religions.
I do not know, bhaji, if
you have read a book named Hum Hindu Nahi by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha or not. If
you have, a few things might have got cleared. Sikhs were not many in numbers
that’s the reason Guru Sahib said that; the other reason was Guru Sahib was
talking about Khalsa Panth. If you read Bhai Gurdas Ji’s vaar, you will
see Christian (esaai) name coming in there. And people believe that
Christianity was there in India before the Sikh Gurus.
ਕਿਤੜੇ ਸੁੰਨੀ ਆਖੀਅਨ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਈਸਾਈ ਮੂਸਾਈ॥
ਕੇਤੜੀਆਂ ਹੀ ਰਾਵਜ਼ੀ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਮੁਲਹਦ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਆਈ॥
ਲੱਖ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ ਇਰਮਨੀ ਰੂਮੀ ਜੰਗੀ ਦੁਸ਼ਮਨ ਦਾਈ॥
ਕਿਤੜੇ ਸਯਦ ਆਖੀਅਨ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਤੁਰਕਮਾਨ ਦੁਨਿਆਈ॥
ਕਿਤੜੇ ਮੁਗਲ ਪਠਾਨ ਹਨ ਹਬਸ਼ੀ ਤੇ ਕਿਲਮਾਗ ਅਵਾਈ॥
ਕੇਤੜਿਆਂ ਈਮਾਨ ਵਿਚ ਕਿਤੜੇ ਬੇਈਮਾਨ ਬਲਾਈ॥
ਨੇਕੀ ਬਦੀ ਨ ਲੁਕੇ ਲੁਕਾਈ ॥੧੬॥
ਬਹੁ ਸੁੰਨੀ ਸ਼ੀਅ ਰਾਫਜ਼ੀ ਮਜ਼ਹਬ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਣੇ॥
ਮੁਲਹਿਦ ਹੋਇ ਮੁਨਾਫ਼ਕਾ ਸਭ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਣੇ॥
ਈਸਾਈ ਮੂਸਾਈਆਂ ਹਉਮੈ ਹੈਰਾਣੇ॥
Christians
were also available then, then why Guru Sahib said there’re only two religions?
What answer will be there? Not only that you said there’s no Buddhism before
British. Then why Jap Ji Sahib talks about Budh? Is it because Buddhism was
Hinduism, later British changed it? And the people just agreed that they have a
new religion without changing the values of the religion? Just like that?
ਆਖਹਿ
ਕੇਤੇ
ਕੀਤੇ
ਬੁਧ
॥
ਕੇਤੇ
ਸਿਧ
ਬੁਧ
ਨਾਥ
ਕੇਤੇ
ਕੇਤੇ
ਦੇਵੀ
ਵੇਸ
॥
So, bhaji, benti aa k
kuch v bematlab diya galla nahi kehnia chahidia, jo sara sar jhooth hove te
jinda koi muh ya matha na hove.
On the one hand you are
saying there’s no Sikhism, and on the second Khalsa was just an army, then why
Guru Sahib said to have tisra panth?
What does it mean? Either this’s not the sakhi of Guru Sahib or Guru
Sahib lied? Which one you want to believe? Or is it the interpretation that is
wrong?
Also, I wrote about the Singh
Sabha Movement, and you somehow said that the British wouldn’t have let the
people do it or something, which is hard to digest. If we go with the same
logic, then how will you explain the battles of Guru Hargobind Sahib ji and
Guru Gobind Singh ji? If the Mughals were ruling the place, how could there be
any struggle to go against them? What about Baba Banda Singh Bahadur? What
about the Battle of Chamkaur, Battle of Anandpur, Battle of Sirhind, Battle of
Smana, and countless battles that Singhs fought against tyranny? Were the
rulers trying to destroy everything by themselves? And what about Bhagat Singh,
Rajguru, Sukhdev, and many other revolutionists who fought against the British?
Did they also do nothing, it’s all the British?
Actually, this’s how the
great history of a religion is destroyed by using the baseless arguments, and
guess what, the logical fallacy of your argument is conspicuous.
And what is this ‘Let's
say if Guru Nanak Dev Ji started a new religion where One is worshipped and not
other, then he could have easily told everyone to become Muslims since they
worship the Absolute God.’? I think that’s the dumbest argument that I ever
heard in my life. At least was not expecting from a person who is writing stuff
to expose Vadakayil. To make people see through Vadakayil’s deceit, if you are
using that type of arguments, that’s very laughable. And if you read gurbani
you will get that answer too.
ਸੁੰਨਤਿ
ਕੀਏ
ਤੁਰਕੁ
ਜੇ
ਹੋਇਗਾ
ਅਉਰਤ
ਕਾ
ਕਿਆ
ਕਰੀਐ
॥
ਅਰਧ
ਸਰੀਰੀ
ਨਾਰਿ
ਨ
ਛੋਡੈ
ਤਾ
ਤੇ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਹੀ
ਰਹੀਐ
॥੩॥
ਬੁਤ
ਪੂਜਿ
ਪੂਜਿ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਮੂਏ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਮੂਏ
ਸਿਰੁ
ਨਾਈ
॥
ਓਇ
ਲੇ
ਜਾਰੇ
ਓਇ
ਲੇ
ਗਾਡੇ
ਤੇਰੀ
ਗਤਿ
ਦੁਹੂ
ਨ
ਪਾਈ
॥੧॥
ਕਾਹੂ
ਲਖਿਓ
ਹਰਿ
ਅਵਾਚੀ
ਦਿਸਾ
ਮਹਿ
ਕਾਹੂ
ਪਛਾਹ
ਕੋ
ਸੀਸ
ਨਿਵਾਇਓ
॥
ਕੋਊ
ਬੁਤਾਨ
ਕੋ
ਪੂਜਤ
ਹੈ
ਪਸੁ
ਕੋਊ
ਮ੍ਰਿਤਾਨ
ਕੋ
ਪੂਜਨ
ਧਾਇਓ
॥
ਕੂਰ
ਕ੍ਰਿਆ
ਉਰਝਿਓ
ਸਭ
ਹੀ
ਜਗ
ਸ੍ਰੀ
ਭਗਵਾਨ
ਕੋ
ਭੇਦੁ
ਨ
ਪਾਇਓ
॥੧੦॥੩੦॥
ਕਹਤ
ਕਬੀਰ
ਰਾਮ
ਗੁਨ
ਗਾਵਉ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਦੋਊ
ਸਮਝਾਵਉ
॥੪॥੪॥੧੩॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਅੰਨੑਾ
ਤੁਰਕੂ
ਕਾਣਾ
॥
ਦੁਹਾਂ
ਤੇ
ਗਿਆਨੀ
ਸਿਆਣਾ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਪੂਜੈ
ਦੇਹੁਰਾ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਣੁ
ਮਸੀਤਿ
॥
ਨਾਮੇ
ਸੋਈ
ਸੇਵਿਆ
ਜਹ
ਦੇਹੁਰਾ
ਨ
ਮਸੀਤਿ
॥੪॥੩॥੭॥
ਵਰਤ
ਨ
ਰਹਉ
ਨ
ਮਹ
ਰਮਦਾਨਾ
॥
ਤਿਸੁ
ਸੇਵੀ
ਜੋ
ਰਖੈ
ਨਿਦਾਨਾ
॥੧॥
ਏਕੁ
ਗੁਸਾਈ
ਅਲਹੁ
ਮੇਰਾ
॥
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਦੁਹਾਂ
ਨੇਬੇਰਾ
॥੧॥
ਰਹਾਉ
॥
ਹਜ
ਕਾਬੈ
ਜਾਉ
ਨ
ਤੀਰਥ
ਪੂਜਾ
॥
ਏਕੋ
ਸੇਵੀ
ਅਵਰੁ
ਨ
ਦੂਜਾ
॥੨॥
ਪੂਜਾ
ਕਰਉ
ਨ
ਨਿਵਾਜ
ਗੁਜਾਰਉ
॥
ਏਕ
ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ
ਲੇ
ਰਿਦੈ
ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ
॥੩॥
ਨਾ
ਹਮ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਨ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ
॥ਅਲਹ
ਰਾਮ
ਕੇ
ਪਿੰਡੁ
ਪਰਾਨ
॥੪॥
ਕਹੁ
ਕਬੀਰ
ਇਹੁ
ਕੀਆ
ਵਖਾਨਾ
॥
ਗੁਰ
ਪੀਰ
ਮਿਲਿ
ਖੁਦਿ
ਖਸਮੁ
ਪਛਾਨਾ
॥੫॥੩॥
ਜਾਗਤ
ਹੋਤਿ
ਜਮੈ
ਨਿਸਬਾਸੁਰ
ਏਕ
ਬਿਨਾ
ਮਨ
ਨੈਕ
ਨ
ਆਨੈ
॥
ਪੂਰਨ
ਪ੍ਰੇਮ
ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ
ਸਜੈ
ਬ੍ਰਤ
ਗੋਰ
ਮੜ੍ਹੀ
ਮਟ
ਭੂਲ
ਨ
ਮਾਨੈ
॥
ਤੀਰਥ
ਦਾਨ
ਦਯਾ
ਤਪੋ
ਸੰਜਮ
ਏਕ
ਬਿਨਾ
ਨਹਿ
ਏਕ
ਪਛਾਨੈ
॥
ਪੂਰਨ
ਜੋਤਿ
ਜਗੈ
ਘਟ
ਮੈ
ਤਬ
ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਤਾਂਹਿੰ
ਨਖਾਲਸ
ਜਾਨੈ
॥੧॥
There’re some things in
each religion that’s not what Guru Sahib wanted to preach, that’s why Guru
Sahib started a new religion.
You also wrote that if jot
of Waheguru is present in everyone, why not worship them? Again, read gurbani
and you will get the answer.
ਕਤਹੂੰ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਚੇਤਨਾ ਕੋ ਚਾਰ ਕੀਓ ਕਤਹੂੰ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਸੋਵਤ ਅਚੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਤਹੂੰ ਭਿਖਾਰੀ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਮਾਂਗਤ ਫਿਰਤ ਭੀਖ ਕਹੂੰ ਮਹਾ ਦਾਨ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਮਾਂਗਿਓ ਧਨ ਦੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਮਹਾਂ ਰਾਜਨ ਕੋ ਦੀਜਤ ਅਨੰਤ ਦਾਨ ਕਹੂੰ ਮਹਾਂ ਰਾਜਨ ਤੇ ਛੀਨ ਛਿਤ ਲੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਬੇਦ ਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤਾ ਸਿਉ ਬਿਪਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਨ ਅਤੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਸੁਰਗੁਨ ਸਮੇਤ ਹੋ ॥੧॥੧੧॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਜੱਛ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਉਰਗ ਕਹੂੰ ਬਿਦਿਆਧਰ ਕਹੂੰ ਭਏ ਕਿੰਨਰ ਪਿਸਾਚ ਕਹੂੰ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਹਿੰਦੂਆ ਗਾਇਤ੍ਰੀ ਕੋ ਗੁਪਤ ਜਪਿਓ ਕਹੂੰ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਤੁਰਕਾ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ ਬਾਂਗ ਦੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਕੋਕ ਕਾਬ ਹੁਇਕੈ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੜਤ ਮਤ ਕਤਹੂੰ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਕੋ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਜਾਨ ਲੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਬੇਦ ਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤਾ ਸਿਉ ਬਿਪਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਨ ਅਤੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਸੁਰਗੁਨ ਸਮੇਤ ਹੋ ॥੨॥੧੨॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਦੇਵਤਾਨ ਕੇ ਦਿਵਾਨ ਮੈ ਬਿਰਾਜਮਾਨ ਕਹੂੰ ਦਾਨਵਾਨ ਕੋ ਗੁਮਾਨ ਮਤ ਦੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਰਾਜਾ ਕੋ ਮਿਲਤ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਪਦਵੀ ਸੀ ਕਹੂੰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਪਦਵੀ ਛਿਪਾਇ ਛੀਨ ਲੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਤਹੂੰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਅਬਿਚਾਰ ਕੋ ਬਿਚਾਰਤ ਹੋ ਕਹੂੰ ਨਿਜ ਨਾਰ ਪਰ ਨਾਰ ਕੇ ਨਿਕੇਤ ਹੋ ॥
ਕਹੂੰ ਬੇਦ ਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤਾ ਸਿਉ ਬਿਪਰੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਨ ਅਤੀਤ ਕਹੂੰ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਸਮੇਤ ਹੋ ॥੩॥੧੩॥
ਨਮੋ ਗੀਤ ਗੀਤੇ ਨਮੋ ਤਾਨ ਤਾਨੇ ॥੪੭॥
ਨਮੋ ਨਿਰਤ ਨਿਰਤੇ ਨਮੋ ਨਾਦ ਨਾਦੇ ॥
ਨਮੋ ਪਾਨ ਪਾਨੇ ਨਮੋ ਬਾਦ ਬਾਦੇ ॥੪੮॥
ਜੋਗੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਜੋਗੀਆ ॥ ਤੂੰ ਭੋਗੀ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭੋਗੀਆ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਤਰਿ ਏਕੋ ਸੋਇ ॥
Guru Sahib is saying that
wherever I see, I see only Waheguru. If you read Jaap Sahib, you will know
more. And read Akaal Ustat and Bachitar Natak too. Read the whole bani
actually. 😊
This post is getting
bigger, so I will stop in few paragraphs because I’ve made the point that I
wanted to make. Let me just talk a little about the Khalsa Panth, who you
called just an army. Let’s go through the history.
ਸੁਨਿ
ਕਰਿ
ਗੁਰੁ
ਫੁਰਮਾਵਨਿ
ਕੀਆ
।
ਭਯੋ
ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਜਗ
ਮਹਿ
ਤੀਆ
।
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕ
ਦੁਹਿਨ
ਤੇ
ਨ੍ਯਾਰੋ
।
ਸ਼੍ਰੀ
ਅਕਾਲ
ਕੇ
ਦਾਸ
ਬਿਚਾਰੋ
॥੪੪॥
ਪੁਨ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕਨ
ਤੇ
ਨ੍ਯਾਰਾ
।
ਰਚੋਂ
ਪੰਥ
ਯਹਿ
ਬਲੀ
ਅਪਾਰਾ
।
ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ
ਤੇ
ਨਿਆਰਾ
ਰਹੇ
।
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਤੁਰਕਨ
ਤੇ
ਹੈ
ਨ੍ਯਾਰਾ
।
ਫਿਰਕਾ
ਇਨਕਾ
ਅਪਰ
ਅਪਾਰਾ
।
ਬ੍ਯਾਹ
ਨਕਾਹ
ਨ
ਏਹ
ਕਰੈਂ
ਹੈਂ
।
ਭੁਗਤ
ਅਨੰਦ
‘ਆਨੰਦੁ’
ਪੜੈ
ਹੈਂ
।
ਸਿੰਘ
ਸਿੰਘਣੀ
ਜੋ
ਮਰ
ਜੈਹੈਂ
।
ਬਾਂਟਤ
ਹਲੁਵਾ
ਤੁਰਤ
ਬਨੈ
ਹੈਂ
।
ਕਿਰਿਆ
ਕਰਮ
ਕਰਾਵਤ
ਨਾਹੀਂ
।
ਹੱਡੀ
ਪਾਂਯ
ਨ
ਗੰਗਾ
ਮਾਹੀ
।
ਕਰਤ
ਦਸਹਿਰਾ
ਗ੍ਰੰਥ
ਪੜ੍ਹਾਵਤ
ਕੰਠੀ
ਜੰਞੂ
ਤਿਲਕ
ਨ
ਧਰਹੈਂ
।
ਬੁੱਤ
ਪਰਸਤੀ
ਕਦੇ
ਨ
ਕਰਹੈਂ
।
ਏਕ
ਰੱਬ
ਕੀ
ਕਰਤ
ਬੰਦਗੀ
।
ਰਖਤ
ਨ
ਔਰਨ
ਕੀ
ਮੁਛੰਦਗੀ
।
ਵੇਦ
ਪੁਰਾਨ
ਕਤੇਬ
ਕੁਰਾਨ
।
ਪੜ੍ਹਤ
ਸੁਨਤ
ਨਹਿ
ਮਾਨਤ
ਕਾਨ
।
ਗੁਰੁ
ਨਾਨਕ
ਜੋ
ਕਥੀ
ਕਲਾਮ
।
ਤਾਂ
ਪਰ
ਰਖਤ
ਇਨਾਮ
ਤਮਾਮ
।
…
ਤੱਤ
ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਗੁਰੁ
ਕਾ
ਜਾਹਰ
।
ਕਹਿਤ
ਚੁਰਾਸੀ
ਤੇ
ਹੈ
ਬਾਹਰ
।
ਹਿੰਦੂ
ਅੰਨ੍ਹੇ
ਤੁਰਕੂ
ਕਾਣੇ
।
ਸਿੰਘ
ਗੁਰੂ
ਕੇ
ਸਭ
ਤਂੋ
ਸ੍ਯਾਣੇ
।
ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ
ਹਿੰਦੁਨ
ਤੈ
ਨ੍ਯਾਰੀ
।
ਰੀਤ
ਇਨ੍ਹੋਂ
ਮੇਂ
ਹੈ
ਭਲਿ
ਸਾਰੀ
।
Many times, people like
Ajit Vadakayil uses the argument that there’s no Sikhism before 1699. That is
not the case. It’s already there. Guru Sahib created Khalsa Panth, not Sikhism.
Khalsa Panth is the extension of Sikhism where the rules are final.
If we read Bhagat
Ratnavli by Bhai Mani Singh ji Shaheed, we see the following sakhi in
there.
Sikhs came to Guru Sahib
and told him that in Kashmir pandits are not letting them read gurbani,
they say that you (people who came there) have left everything which’s
according to Vedas. Vedas are the Dev Bani, on the other side others are not.
There’s a long parsang
that you can read in the book. My point of having it here was that it’s not
that everyone was Hindu until Guru Gobind Singh ji like dilettante preaches.
Sikhism was already there.
And you got me wrong,
bhaji. I read your appeal
too and I was thinking that it’s for me. The articles I’ve written and the
videos that I’ve made, they do not exhibit hate for some deities. I never said
hateful words in videos, neither did I write them on blog. But if you find
somewhere, will definitely think about it. My motive was not to hurt people’s
sentiments but to tell what’s happening, how people are mistranslating gurbani
and giving their own conclusions. Yes, you are among those people.
At last you can call me
misguided, misleading person, communist (BTW, you should know that communist do
not believe in God), or anything, but the truth will be the same i.e. Sikhism
was there, there is no worshipping of any deities in Sikhi. If you want to
follow them, it’s fine. Your life, your choice. But do not include the verses
of gurbani to prove your point.
Oh, I almost forgot one
thing that you mentioned.
ਧਨਿ
ਧੰਨਿ
ਓ
ਰਾਮ
ਬੇਨੁ
ਬਾਜੈ
॥
ਮਧੁਰ
ਮਧੁਰ
ਧੁਨਿ
ਅਨਹਤ
ਗਾਜੈ
॥੧॥
Don’t you think that flute
that you are referring to was in the hand of Krishan and Ram Chandra has a bow?
Then why Ram is playing the flute? Shouldn’t it be opposite? Or the translation
that we are having is wrong? Think about it!